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Summary by TwinMind · 16m 28s
Elon Musk & The Longtermists: What Is Their Plan?
Elon Musk & The Longtermists: What Is Their Plan?
Sabine Hossenfelder
Sabine Hossenfelder
Introduction to Long-termism
- Long-termism: philosophical idea that long-term future of humanity is way more important than present
- Those alive today should make sacrifices for all generations to come
- Roots in effective altruism movement (followers try to be smart about donating money for biggest impact)
- Popular among rich people: Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, Jan Talinn
Scale of Future vs Present Lives
- Visual representation: hourglass with grains of sand representing 10 million people each
- Red grains: past lives (~110 billion people)
- Green grains: current lives (~8 billion people)
- Conservative estimate: billion people for billion years = billion billion human life years
- With 100-year lifespan: ~10^16 human lives
- If populate galaxy/other galaxies: numbers explode into billions and billions
Key Figures and Institutions
Nick Bostrom
- Philosopher who believes we live in computer simulation
- 2008: discussed existential risk of programmer pulling plug on simulation
- 2009 paper: "non-existential disaster causing breakdown of global civilization is potentially recoverable setback"
- "Giant massacre for men, small misstep for mankind"
- 2013: calculated reducing existential risk by 1 billionth of 1 billionth of 1% worth 100 billion times more than billion human lives in present
- Director of Future of Humanity Institute, Oxford
William MacAskill
- Professor of philosophy, University of Oxford
- Published book "What We Owe the Future"
- 2019 paper with Hilary Greaves: "The Case for Strong Long-termism"
Hilary Greaves
- Philosopher and director of Global Priorities Institute, Oxford
- Co-authored paper stating decision makers can "often simply ignore all effects contained in first 100 or even 1,000 years"
- This passage later removed from 2021 version
Supporting Organizations
- Future of Life Institute (Cambridge, Massachusetts)
- Supported by billionaires: Peter Thiel, Elon Musk, Jan Talinn
- Musk commented MacAskill's book is "close match for his philosophy"
Core Long-termist Principles
- First priority: minimize existential risks
- Existential risks include: asteroid impact, nuclear world war, other extinction events
- Don't care about famines/floods (won't lead to extinction)
- Current conditions of living don't play big role
- Few million deaths acceptable so long as don't go extinct
- Can ignore short-term effects (first 100-1000 years) while focusing on far future
Criticisms of Long-termism
Peter Singer (Effective Altruism Founder)
- Frustrated that followers flocking to long-termism
- Calls referring to helping global poor/reducing animal suffering as "feel-good project" harsh language
- Argues long-termism might be excuse to stop donating to Africa
- Points out tragedy of premature death: cuts short lives of specific living persons
- Notes entire argument depends on how much value put on future lives
Steven Pinker
- Complained about certainty on matters we're ignorant about
- Future is "garden of exponentially forking paths"
- Criticized "stipulating incorrect answers to unsolvable philosophical conundrums"
- Noted "blind confidence in tech advances that may never happen"
Media Criticism
- Time Magazine: Musk sold fantasy that tech + market could change world without government role
- Washington Post (Christine Emba): long-termism allows tech/finance/philosophy elites to indulge anti-humanistic tendencies
- Criticism of technocratic vision as anti-democratic
- "Future becomes clean slate for moral certitude and techno-utopian fantasies"
Philosophical Analysis
Pascal's Mugging Thought Experiment
- Stranger in alley claims to be mugger, asks for wallet
- Offers increasingly large returns (double, 100x, million times)
- Economic logic suggests eventually risk worth it
- But most people wouldn't give money regardless of promise
- Point: if agree to any value, anyone can use same strategy to take everything
Core Problem
- How to assign probability to unlikely future events
- For Pascal's mugger: unlikely event mugger will deliver promise
- For long-termism: unlikely existential threats
- Logical conclusion: spend as much as possible on unlikely events we know least about
- Makes most currently alive people expendable
Moral vs Logical Arguments
- Value of human lives requires moral argument, not just logic
- Nothing irrational about not caring about starving children in Africa
- Nothing irrational about not caring about people who may/may not live on Mars in billion years
- Question of personal moral values
Author's Perspective
- Appreciates long-term strategies (10-20 years to 10,000-10 billion years)
- Values long-termist focus on preventing existential risks
- Believes they underestimate how technological progress depends on:
- Reliability/sustainability of current political systems
- Economic systems
- Ecological systems
- Progress needs ideas, ideas come from brains that need food and knowledge
