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Elon Musk & The Longtermists: What Is Their Plan?

Elon Musk & The Longtermists: What Is Their Plan?

Sabine Hossenfelder

Sabine Hossenfelder

Introduction to Long-termism

  • Long-termism: philosophical idea that long-term future of humanity is way more important than present
  • Those alive today should make sacrifices for all generations to come
  • Roots in effective altruism movement (followers try to be smart about donating money for biggest impact)
  • Popular among rich people: Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, Jan Talinn

Scale of Future vs Present Lives

  • Visual representation: hourglass with grains of sand representing 10 million people each
    • Red grains: past lives (~110 billion people)
    • Green grains: current lives (~8 billion people)
    • Conservative estimate: billion people for billion years = billion billion human life years
    • With 100-year lifespan: ~10^16 human lives
    • If populate galaxy/other galaxies: numbers explode into billions and billions

Key Figures and Institutions

Nick Bostrom

  • Philosopher who believes we live in computer simulation
  • 2008: discussed existential risk of programmer pulling plug on simulation
  • 2009 paper: "non-existential disaster causing breakdown of global civilization is potentially recoverable setback"
    • "Giant massacre for men, small misstep for mankind"
  • 2013: calculated reducing existential risk by 1 billionth of 1 billionth of 1% worth 100 billion times more than billion human lives in present
  • Director of Future of Humanity Institute, Oxford

William MacAskill

  • Professor of philosophy, University of Oxford
  • Published book "What We Owe the Future"
  • 2019 paper with Hilary Greaves: "The Case for Strong Long-termism"

Hilary Greaves

  • Philosopher and director of Global Priorities Institute, Oxford
  • Co-authored paper stating decision makers can "often simply ignore all effects contained in first 100 or even 1,000 years"
  • This passage later removed from 2021 version

Supporting Organizations

  • Future of Life Institute (Cambridge, Massachusetts)
  • Supported by billionaires: Peter Thiel, Elon Musk, Jan Talinn
  • Musk commented MacAskill's book is "close match for his philosophy"

Core Long-termist Principles

  • First priority: minimize existential risks
  • Existential risks include: asteroid impact, nuclear world war, other extinction events
  • Don't care about famines/floods (won't lead to extinction)
  • Current conditions of living don't play big role
  • Few million deaths acceptable so long as don't go extinct
  • Can ignore short-term effects (first 100-1000 years) while focusing on far future

Criticisms of Long-termism

Peter Singer (Effective Altruism Founder)

  • Frustrated that followers flocking to long-termism
  • Calls referring to helping global poor/reducing animal suffering as "feel-good project" harsh language
  • Argues long-termism might be excuse to stop donating to Africa
  • Points out tragedy of premature death: cuts short lives of specific living persons
  • Notes entire argument depends on how much value put on future lives

Steven Pinker

  • Complained about certainty on matters we're ignorant about
  • Future is "garden of exponentially forking paths"
  • Criticized "stipulating incorrect answers to unsolvable philosophical conundrums"
  • Noted "blind confidence in tech advances that may never happen"

Media Criticism

  • Time Magazine: Musk sold fantasy that tech + market could change world without government role
  • Washington Post (Christine Emba): long-termism allows tech/finance/philosophy elites to indulge anti-humanistic tendencies
  • Criticism of technocratic vision as anti-democratic
  • "Future becomes clean slate for moral certitude and techno-utopian fantasies"

Philosophical Analysis

Pascal's Mugging Thought Experiment

  • Stranger in alley claims to be mugger, asks for wallet
  • Offers increasingly large returns (double, 100x, million times)
  • Economic logic suggests eventually risk worth it
  • But most people wouldn't give money regardless of promise
  • Point: if agree to any value, anyone can use same strategy to take everything

Core Problem

  • How to assign probability to unlikely future events
  • For Pascal's mugger: unlikely event mugger will deliver promise
  • For long-termism: unlikely existential threats
  • Logical conclusion: spend as much as possible on unlikely events we know least about
  • Makes most currently alive people expendable

Moral vs Logical Arguments

  • Value of human lives requires moral argument, not just logic
  • Nothing irrational about not caring about starving children in Africa
  • Nothing irrational about not caring about people who may/may not live on Mars in billion years
  • Question of personal moral values

Author's Perspective

  • Appreciates long-term strategies (10-20 years to 10,000-10 billion years)
  • Values long-termist focus on preventing existential risks
  • Believes they underestimate how technological progress depends on:
    • Reliability/sustainability of current political systems
    • Economic systems
    • Ecological systems
  • Progress needs ideas, ideas come from brains that need food and knowledge