Summary by TwinMind · 1h 10m 36s
Summary by TwinMind · 1h 10m 36s
SYSK Live: Koko, the Gorilla Who Talked | STUFF YOU SHOULD KNOW
SYSK Live: Koko, the Gorilla Who Talked | STUFF YOU SHOULD KNOW
Stuff You Should Know
Stuff You Should Know
Introduction and Setting
- Live podcast recording at Castro Theater, San Francisco
- Hosts: Josh Clark and Chuck Bryant (Jerry absent)
- Audience interaction with "chucker sign" from crowd
- Discussion of being "children of the 70s and 80s"
- Context: Every kid knew about Coco the talking gorilla
Coco's Early Life and Background
- Born July 4, 1971 at San Francisco Zoo (6.1 miles from theater)
- Birth name: Hanabiko ("fireworks child" in Japanese)
- Western lowland gorilla - critically endangered subspecies
- Difficult infancy: mother couldn't produce enough milk
- At 6 months: developed dysentery, nearly died
- Removed from family unit for human care around the clock
- Problem: couldn't return to family after recovery due to human bonding
Dr. Penny Patterson and Project Coco
- 24-year-old Stanford grad student Francine "Penny" Patterson
- Took control of Coco's care for PhD research
- Goal: teach gorillas sign language to understand language acquisition
- Compare gorilla vs human language development
- Trace evolutionary history of human language development
- Moved from San Francisco Zoo to Stanford University
- Later established Gorilla Foundation with 6-acre private facility
- Coco lived in retrofitted mobile home with nest of blankets, tire, toys, TV
Language Learning Methods and Progress
- Two teaching techniques:
- Molding: physically shaping Coco's hands into signs
- Imitation: demonstrating signs for Coco to copy
- First signs learned (within 2 weeks): food, drink, more
- Language growth spurts: ~200 new words per year in first 4.5 years
- Acquired language 8 months behind human child development
- Same rate as deaf child her age (despite starting later)
- Final vocabulary: 600 working signs, 400 spontaneous signs (1000 total)
- Could understand 2000 English words
- Dr. Patterson received PhD from Stanford (1979)
Coco's Cognitive Abilities
- Demonstrated humor: red lint joke with white towel
- Showed ability to lie: blamed caregiver Kate for broken sink
- Created new sign combinations:
- Mask = "eye hat"
- Zebra = "white tiger"
- Ring = "finger bracelet"
- Pinocchio doll = "elephant baby"
- Insult vocabulary: bird, nut, rotten stink, dirty toilet, dirty devil
- Generally sweet-natured gorilla despite ability to insult
Michael the Gorilla
- Male gorilla brought in 1976 to expand foundation
- Also learned American Sign Language (not as well as Coco)
- Both were "enculturated" (raised as humans)
- Enjoyed Pavarotti and painting
- Key finding: Coco and Michael signed to each other unprompted
- Taught each other signs humans hadn't taught them
- Developed independent communication system
Celebrity Status and Media Appearances
- 1978: First National Geographic cover - Coco's self-portrait with camera
- 1985: Second National Geographic cover with kitten
- World fell in love with gorilla-kitten relationship
- Celebrity visitors included:
- William Shatner (touched his genitals during visit)
- Fred Rogers (Coco removed his shoes, cradled him like baby)
- Flea and Sting (let Coco play their bass guitars)
- Peter Gabriel
- Betty White (board member of Gorilla Foundation)
- Leo DiCaprio
- Robin Williams (2001) - most memorable visit, tickle fighting, rolling around
Coco's Kittens
- Coco loved cats, wanted real kitten
- Given realistic stuffed kitten first (rejected as fake)
- Selected tabby Manx kitten from litter
- Named kitten "All Ball" (Manx cats have no tails)
- All Ball had been abandoned, nursed by Cairn Terrier for 4.5 weeks
- Tragedy: All Ball hit by car and killed
- Coco's grief response: turned away, ignored news, then whimpering
- Eventually signed "sleep cat"
- Later had more kittens: Lipstick, Smoky, Miss Black, Miss Gray
Environmental Ambassador Role
- Became ambassador for Earth during 1980s green movement
- Perfect timing with growing Earth Day awareness
- Merchandising: Coco's Kitten book, stuffed gorillas, painting prints
- Coco's bird painting recognizable as actual bird
- Both Coco and Michael painted and sold art prints
Robin Williams Visit Impact
- 2001 visit - most natural, playful interaction
- Williams not scared/intimidated like other celebrities
- Genuine play session, tickle fighting, glasses exchange
- Coco indicated desire to mate with Williams
- When Williams died (2014), Coco signed "woman crying"
- Remarkable emotional connection despite single meeting 13 years prior
The Ape Language Wars
- Scientific community divided on legitimacy of ape language research
- Context: Part of broader ape language experiments since 1940s
- Earlier experiments:
- Vicki the chimp (1940s): learned 4 spoken words (mama, papa, cup)
- Washoe the chimp (1967): first successful sign language experiment
- Project Nim (Columbia, mid-70s): named "Nim Chimpsky" after Noam Chomsky
Scientific Controversy and Criticism
- Herb Terrace: initially supporter, became major critic (1981)
- Claimed apes just mimicking for rewards, not using true language
- Accused researchers of inadvertent prompting/cueing
- Distinction: words vs. language (pointing at pie vs. describing how to make pie)
- Split field into believers vs. skeptics
- Central issue: anthropomorphism - projecting human traits onto animals
Research Methodology Challenges
- Researchers adapted to avoid criticism:
- Sue Savage-Rumbaugh wore welding masks to hide facial expressions
- Developed lexicon boards to avoid sign language prompting
- Kanzi the bonobo: learned without direct teaching, taught mother Matata
- Video editing controversies: selective editing could misrepresent abilities
- Dr. Patterson's language: claimed Coco "mastered" sign language (overstated)
1998 AOL Internet Chat
- First interspecies internet chat hosted by America Online
- Setup: AOL moderator relayed questions to Penny, who signed to Coco
- Coco's response when setup explained: "nipple"
- Liberal translation interpretations by Dr. Patterson
- Example: Coco covered eyes = "unattention, doesn't see it happening"
- Demonstrated gap between observed behavior and interpreted meaning
Current Scientific Consensus
- Ape language research largely dried up since 1980s
- Ethical concerns about removing apes from families, human dependency
- Scientific community acknowledges apes can use sign language and communicate
- 2017 breakthrough: apes passed theory of mind tests designed for human infants
- Shift toward studying natural gorilla communication vs. teaching human language
- Field still developing with new insights into ape cognition
Controversies and Legal Issues
- Nipple fetish: Coco obsessed with seeing nipples
- Dr. Patterson showed Coco her nipples, requested same from employees
- Former female employees sued over uncomfortable requests
- Case settled out of court, details undisclosed
- Dr. Patterson distanced from scientific community, focused on public outreach
Coco's Later Life and Legacy
- Dr. Patterson's biggest regret: Coco never had baby
- Coco frequently expressed desire for offspring
- Michael unsuitable mate due to incest taboo (raised together from young age)
- Ndume brought in 1991 but no offspring produced
- Coco died June 19, 2018, age 46, in her sleep
- World mourned her death extensively
Scientific and Cultural Impact
- 2014 gorilla expert symposium: half of attendees inspired by Coco to enter field
- Transformed public view of gorillas from scary/stupid to intelligent/emotional
- Charles Wesley Hume quote: "Animals must have benefit of the doubt"
- Pushed people toward believing animals have subjective inner experiences
- Media coverage at death used terms like "master of sign language"
- Skeptics' corrections were "drop in ocean" compared to positive coverage
- Ultimate legacy: world wants to believe animals have more than we can prove
