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SYSK Live: Koko, the Gorilla Who Talked | STUFF YOU SHOULD KNOW

SYSK Live: Koko, the Gorilla Who Talked | STUFF YOU SHOULD KNOW

Stuff You Should Know

Stuff You Should Know

Introduction and Setting

  • Live podcast recording at Castro Theater, San Francisco
  • Hosts: Josh Clark and Chuck Bryant (Jerry absent)
  • Audience interaction with "chucker sign" from crowd
  • Discussion of being "children of the 70s and 80s"
  • Context: Every kid knew about Coco the talking gorilla

Coco's Early Life and Background

  • Born July 4, 1971 at San Francisco Zoo (6.1 miles from theater)
  • Birth name: Hanabiko ("fireworks child" in Japanese)
  • Western lowland gorilla - critically endangered subspecies
  • Difficult infancy: mother couldn't produce enough milk
  • At 6 months: developed dysentery, nearly died
  • Removed from family unit for human care around the clock
  • Problem: couldn't return to family after recovery due to human bonding

Dr. Penny Patterson and Project Coco

  • 24-year-old Stanford grad student Francine "Penny" Patterson
  • Took control of Coco's care for PhD research
  • Goal: teach gorillas sign language to understand language acquisition
  • Compare gorilla vs human language development
  • Trace evolutionary history of human language development
  • Moved from San Francisco Zoo to Stanford University
  • Later established Gorilla Foundation with 6-acre private facility
  • Coco lived in retrofitted mobile home with nest of blankets, tire, toys, TV

Language Learning Methods and Progress

  • Two teaching techniques:
    • Molding: physically shaping Coco's hands into signs
    • Imitation: demonstrating signs for Coco to copy
  • First signs learned (within 2 weeks): food, drink, more
  • Language growth spurts: ~200 new words per year in first 4.5 years
  • Acquired language 8 months behind human child development
  • Same rate as deaf child her age (despite starting later)
  • Final vocabulary: 600 working signs, 400 spontaneous signs (1000 total)
  • Could understand 2000 English words
  • Dr. Patterson received PhD from Stanford (1979)

Coco's Cognitive Abilities

  • Demonstrated humor: red lint joke with white towel
  • Showed ability to lie: blamed caregiver Kate for broken sink
  • Created new sign combinations:
    • Mask = "eye hat"
    • Zebra = "white tiger"
    • Ring = "finger bracelet"
    • Pinocchio doll = "elephant baby"
  • Insult vocabulary: bird, nut, rotten stink, dirty toilet, dirty devil
  • Generally sweet-natured gorilla despite ability to insult

Michael the Gorilla

  • Male gorilla brought in 1976 to expand foundation
  • Also learned American Sign Language (not as well as Coco)
  • Both were "enculturated" (raised as humans)
  • Enjoyed Pavarotti and painting
  • Key finding: Coco and Michael signed to each other unprompted
  • Taught each other signs humans hadn't taught them
  • Developed independent communication system

Celebrity Status and Media Appearances

  • 1978: First National Geographic cover - Coco's self-portrait with camera
  • 1985: Second National Geographic cover with kitten
  • World fell in love with gorilla-kitten relationship
  • Celebrity visitors included:
    • William Shatner (touched his genitals during visit)
    • Fred Rogers (Coco removed his shoes, cradled him like baby)
    • Flea and Sting (let Coco play their bass guitars)
    • Peter Gabriel
    • Betty White (board member of Gorilla Foundation)
    • Leo DiCaprio
    • Robin Williams (2001) - most memorable visit, tickle fighting, rolling around

Coco's Kittens

  • Coco loved cats, wanted real kitten
  • Given realistic stuffed kitten first (rejected as fake)
  • Selected tabby Manx kitten from litter
  • Named kitten "All Ball" (Manx cats have no tails)
  • All Ball had been abandoned, nursed by Cairn Terrier for 4.5 weeks
  • Tragedy: All Ball hit by car and killed
  • Coco's grief response: turned away, ignored news, then whimpering
  • Eventually signed "sleep cat"
  • Later had more kittens: Lipstick, Smoky, Miss Black, Miss Gray

Environmental Ambassador Role

  • Became ambassador for Earth during 1980s green movement
  • Perfect timing with growing Earth Day awareness
  • Merchandising: Coco's Kitten book, stuffed gorillas, painting prints
  • Coco's bird painting recognizable as actual bird
  • Both Coco and Michael painted and sold art prints

Robin Williams Visit Impact

  • 2001 visit - most natural, playful interaction
  • Williams not scared/intimidated like other celebrities
  • Genuine play session, tickle fighting, glasses exchange
  • Coco indicated desire to mate with Williams
  • When Williams died (2014), Coco signed "woman crying"
  • Remarkable emotional connection despite single meeting 13 years prior

The Ape Language Wars

  • Scientific community divided on legitimacy of ape language research
  • Context: Part of broader ape language experiments since 1940s
  • Earlier experiments:
    • Vicki the chimp (1940s): learned 4 spoken words (mama, papa, cup)
    • Washoe the chimp (1967): first successful sign language experiment
    • Project Nim (Columbia, mid-70s): named "Nim Chimpsky" after Noam Chomsky

Scientific Controversy and Criticism

  • Herb Terrace: initially supporter, became major critic (1981)
  • Claimed apes just mimicking for rewards, not using true language
  • Accused researchers of inadvertent prompting/cueing
  • Distinction: words vs. language (pointing at pie vs. describing how to make pie)
  • Split field into believers vs. skeptics
  • Central issue: anthropomorphism - projecting human traits onto animals

Research Methodology Challenges

  • Researchers adapted to avoid criticism:
    • Sue Savage-Rumbaugh wore welding masks to hide facial expressions
    • Developed lexicon boards to avoid sign language prompting
    • Kanzi the bonobo: learned without direct teaching, taught mother Matata
  • Video editing controversies: selective editing could misrepresent abilities
  • Dr. Patterson's language: claimed Coco "mastered" sign language (overstated)

1998 AOL Internet Chat

  • First interspecies internet chat hosted by America Online
  • Setup: AOL moderator relayed questions to Penny, who signed to Coco
  • Coco's response when setup explained: "nipple"
  • Liberal translation interpretations by Dr. Patterson
  • Example: Coco covered eyes = "unattention, doesn't see it happening"
  • Demonstrated gap between observed behavior and interpreted meaning

Current Scientific Consensus

  • Ape language research largely dried up since 1980s
  • Ethical concerns about removing apes from families, human dependency
  • Scientific community acknowledges apes can use sign language and communicate
  • 2017 breakthrough: apes passed theory of mind tests designed for human infants
  • Shift toward studying natural gorilla communication vs. teaching human language
  • Field still developing with new insights into ape cognition

Controversies and Legal Issues

  • Nipple fetish: Coco obsessed with seeing nipples
  • Dr. Patterson showed Coco her nipples, requested same from employees
  • Former female employees sued over uncomfortable requests
  • Case settled out of court, details undisclosed
  • Dr. Patterson distanced from scientific community, focused on public outreach

Coco's Later Life and Legacy

  • Dr. Patterson's biggest regret: Coco never had baby
  • Coco frequently expressed desire for offspring
  • Michael unsuitable mate due to incest taboo (raised together from young age)
  • Ndume brought in 1991 but no offspring produced
  • Coco died June 19, 2018, age 46, in her sleep
  • World mourned her death extensively

Scientific and Cultural Impact

  • 2014 gorilla expert symposium: half of attendees inspired by Coco to enter field
  • Transformed public view of gorillas from scary/stupid to intelligent/emotional
  • Charles Wesley Hume quote: "Animals must have benefit of the doubt"
  • Pushed people toward believing animals have subjective inner experiences
  • Media coverage at death used terms like "master of sign language"
  • Skeptics' corrections were "drop in ocean" compared to positive coverage
  • Ultimate legacy: world wants to believe animals have more than we can prove